…. Everybody is working for their I. The moment the I comes, then you
say, “I came because of this friend, therefore I have to take care of
him.” You forgot that the Being is Forever Pure. You’re not taking care
of your friend, you’re taking care of your I [which has become identified
with your friend]. I say that I is the illusory ego, a ghost. And as long
as you’re alive, you cannot give up the ghost. [Laughter.] But we have
to. If you do not, I’ll continue saying “Pure Free Forever,” but you’ll
continue being somebody—a teacher, a lecturer, a professor, an engineer,
a name, a resident of a country, a wife, a husband, a child, all that.
This is what Guru knows, so he can tell you. But he is helpless in bringing
in you that Purity if you do not work on it. …
You have to bring in your examining power. Whatever I have said, but
you have come to know that Brian is and Brian is not; Barbara is and Barbara
is not; her medical story is and is not; Swamiji is and Swamiji is not.
… How to figure this out now? What to do? That’s a query with everyone.
… If you use your intelligence, you can see that the flower is and the
flower is not. … As long as your duality remains, for you there is “is
and is not.” So you can imagine how much you have to work on that, how
much you have to practise. Aatma Shakti is, so Nandi [her daughter] is.
Aatma Shakti is not, only then Nandi is not. As long as Nandi is, Aatma
Shakti is. And Nandi was never there. But now Aatma Shakti is worried—about
that person who was never there. … You came to know that when the I will
arise, all the problems will start. The dog will be there, he will be
barking, and you will not like it. Birds will be chirping, and you will
not like it. Because the I is there. So they say, “Transcend, Transcend.”
What does transcend mean? …
Only because of this I, every nonsense on earth is going on. Everything.
And if the I is not, how easily [life goes]… If you have not practised,
at the time of death, family, doctors will all be there, and nobody will
harm you, but your I—the negative—will harm you. That is where the ego
is. But “Give up your ego, Give up your ego” does not work. Why? You do
not know where the ego is. Guru says that there is no ego. You never accept
this. You cannot. Because you are a human being. Guru says, “There has
never been your I. There has never been your name. There has never been
your body, your emotions, never your hormones.” Now, what is it? When
I say, “You’re sunshine, that’s all,” then you say, “I should be shining
very brilliantly, have a great crown and things like that, and then shine.”
Sunshine means you are not. Now, Guru cannot say you are not. The moment
you are sick, he says, “Go to the hospital.” That is essential. …
Today, you came to know—rather you came to hear, not that you came to
know—you came to hear that by interaction of any kind in the
waking state on the level of the senses, your I arises—which was never
there. So if you can be convinced one day that it was never there, then
you will [know your Freedom]. …
Guru expects you to work together with him. That’s why he prays to the
Lord ,,, [He begins the classic prayer from the Upanishads in Sanskrit]:
“Now, we are together. Let us remain alive to talk and hear. We may not
fall sick. We should not have cudgels to cavil. We should remain friendly.
Amicably, we should do the trip. Let us sit together and evolve that we
both were never there.” All this. Now, it should not be possible that
anyone can know that “I was never there.” Immediately he will ask, “How
to get along in social interactions? [Someone’s question to him recently.]
Swamiji, if I’m not there and they’re not there, then how to have social
interactions?” You can check the difficulty of a human mind. When you
have realized or heard this, there is only one thing you should have in
your awareness: you should not mind and put your hand in that which is
never there. Even Larry King knows this. [Laughter.] …This where I end
up, by letting you know that your I never leaves you. So your work is
to try to do something and find and realize that knowledge which may help
you to transcend your I. Thank you.
Dan: … It feels like when you say “is and is not,” what I was understanding
is as if it’s like a ghost?
Swamiji: That’s correct. A ghost means that it’s not. Whenever we talk
about anything ghostly, that doesn’t exist. So that which is attributed
to the truth of the ghost—whatever the ghost says, has said, and will
say—don’t accept. Then, what will remain? That should be your question.
What will remain if the ghost is not there? You will come to know that
the Knower is. That’s all. Then you won’t have anything to do with that
ghost. The Knower is the first Being, who is making the whole world move.
That is the Knower—who is making the sun move, the earth move, the air
move. The Knower. The Knower is not a ghost. You can check: if you have
realized the Knower, then the Knower is in the appearance of Dan. So the
one who knows, he will know that Dan and the Knower are one and the same.
But then Dikpal will say, “What about his I?” Then Rita will answer, “The
I is fictitious. He has made it. Because of imagination, so he is I.”
The answer.
All children have been made to accept the ghost which is the I. And now
the I became a real being. So how can Guru succeed in removing it? He
will need your cooperation. Because it is you who are the Knower forever.
Yet you say that you are not the Knower, that the I is, that this is Dan,
that Dan is. So Dan is and the Knower is not. Dan is and the mind is.
So the ghost is. And the mind is never there. The mind was made by repeating
“Dan, Dan.” …
This I is a human being. It is the greatest hindrance in the spoken language
of a human being. Yet he cannot communicate without language, and in language
there must be somebody who should have the I as the subject, and there
must be somebody who must be the object. Both are subject and object,
but one does not know who is the subject and who is the object. This is
where the functioning of the I is. I describe it because you can identify
with it. For me, I never say what I think or know about it. You just have
a conjecture that “It is just possible that Swamiji must be thinking all
are I,” or “He must be thinking the I is not,” or “Let me hear one day
when he says I. Whenever he will speak, does he say ‘I have a poncho’
or not?” This is where the problem will come. But when you realize, then
the Knower is. So the Knower is Dan. The Knower has been Mendel [Dan’s
father]. And the Knower has got nothing to do with Mendel. Mendel disappeared,
but the Knower never disappears. Because the Knower never appeared as
Mendel. The Knower just blew [he blows], and there is Mendel. …
Dan: Can you say that whatever is happening is just the Self experiencing
the Self?
Swamiji. No. Because the very “happening” is incorrect. The final thing
will be that the world in front of your eyes, which you see is, has never
appeared. So what is a happening? If it could be that this fact were imbibed
by a human being, then nature would have not made you accept the I or
ghost. Nature has played this treacherous part that it has made everybody
know the I, and everybody’s consciousness with which he knows the Knower
has been destroyed. I’m bringing in you that the Knower is. Why does one
have to think about what happened and what did not happen? … Happening
is mental. Happening is from that ego. …
Dan: Why are we attracted to have this experience?
Swamiji: Because we are bound and we want to have our ties released.
That’s all. The very Knower got bound. And Swamiji says that the Knower
is never bound. I say that for the Knower, the reality of the Knower is
ever the same. Because I am Guru. Yet the very Knower says “No, I’m bound.
I want freedom.” So that Knower is mixed with that which you call the
mind, with that which you call the ego. …
The Knower is forever free. Yet we as human beings are born, and we think
and know certainly that “I am born.” But you are born in your dreams many
times. So, what happened to you? [He snaps his fingers.] That is the crudity.
The moment the waking state comes, there is “I am born and named Steve.
I am the son of so-and-so. I am the resident of so-and-so.” Now, what
can you do? We don’t understand how Guru has been before the creation
and creator. And you are on the Guru trip. Somehow all of you can think
at heart that you are on the trip that you should be the Highest and should
know “I am the Highest”—not only think, but actually be the Highest. In
this way, each human being is wanting to get liberation. That’s why we’re
here. That’s all. We are here on earth only for liberation. We place before
you so many examples, just to know. … It’s just possible you might get
what is that before happening. When the Self is, then identify that the
Self is your reality, or You, as against that you are this. There will
be something by which you can act like that. And whenever you become that,
you are not involved. …
The Knower is such that at every step it jumps into the pot of the mind.
[He snaps his fingers.] After doing everything, it’s the mind again. And
the mind’s job is to either repent for getting happiness or for removing
unhappiness. … You have to know what your nature is, what you want as
a human being. You must have come to know up to this time, after fifty
years or so, that your nature is Freedom. So why would you do anything
with which your mind, intellect or body would be bound? You would not.
That’s all. … I inform you that I know if you are a human being, then
you have the potential to become the best human being. The best human
being is the one who knows that the Self within me is the power that is
making my eyes see, my ears hear, and all that—and not the I. That’s all.
You are the greatest. Thank you. Very nice. [Applause.]
Why would you not have faith in your understanding that you are always
there where there is nothing that begins or ends? That is your reality.
For You, nothing begins or ends, so why is there something in the middle
that is happening or not happening? Having realized this, you watch the
way a man watches a movie. … With dancers, he shakes his feet. With singers,
he sings. With villains, he becomes a villain at heart. When somebody
weeps, he has sympathy. And when the movie is over, he exits. So realization
is the exit from this world. Then you are in Free Space, you are not in
the movie. …
That is where the work is: Again and again, you have to attend Being.
But the Being, poor fellow, gets into the I-ghost. So you accept the ghost.
We take these examples so that you can understand and unfold. Such as
a shadow has nothing to do with any part of the body, but when I say,
“Your own shadow,” immediately you look behind you. [Laughter.] This is
where you should know that this is the mechanism of a human being. If
that mechanism remains, it will function as the body. So that mechanism
is to be transcended or transformed. That is the possibility. …
Only satsang will help you. Nothing else. Because Sat
is the Self. So satsang is your work, game, or profession. Whatever
you do, satsang. … Only satsang. Whatever you have heard
in satsang, you should talk about to your friends. … Those who
remember what is satsang have grown. They have the result of
the situations automatically as they come—because they are Being. … The
whole day and night, I always remain in satsang. I don’t want
to do anything else other than satsang. It’s not that you wait
for me. I wait for you. That means it is Oneness. So when Oneness will
come, then you reach there. …
Unwinding takes place. A human being is made such that he is always winding,
which means a whirlpool, the illusion. It is not our fault. When we reach
there, then we know it is ocean water and that winding, a whirlpool, takes
place. What is the fault of the water? In that very winding, the consciousness
has appeared and says, “I am a body, a whirlpool, a bubble, a son of so-and-so.”
… When you say “I transcended” it means that “I was not in the whirlpool.”
Transcendent reality is Guru, the Self. To transcend means to know. …
Just know that you are that Guru and Guru is Pure Free Forever. Having
known this, nothing difficult will come to you—because I know this. But
you have to know it. You cannot ignore it, or you will remain a human
being. You have to know the transcendence, Guru. … Thank you very much
everyone. [Applause.]
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