Nath: You had said to me, "If you are going to offer to Guru,
then why do you offer it in little drabs? Why dont you offer it all
at once and finish with your offering!" How is it possible to offer
once and for all that which should be offered to Guru?
Swami-ji: A person who has come on earth has simply received
everything from the very beginningwhatever mother, father, friends, school
teachers, and relations gave him. He developed as a person and received everything
from his surroundings and relations. Therefore, he became a person with 'I':
'I' am an individual and 'I' need this and that.
Knowing your own value
When people didnt give him everything, he was made to
work. In that work he also received everything. He didnt feel that he gave
anything, because things and forms can be seen and known, but what he gives and
receives by way of his heart and mind is not known.
A child received everything from parents. Parents gave their
love to him. The child gave in the way of his presence and love, but that was
not a material thing. He received everything, but he didnt receive it from
the point of view that his parents were giving to him because he is God. They
gave to him because they were preparing some tool, some machine to work for the
world, to work for people.
Human beings are being prepared as machines. A child doesnt
know that he offered anything to anybody and thinks he got everything from people,
so he is indebted to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
He is taught to serve everyone. He is expected to serve, and
not even serve himself. His life is of immense value. If you were to buy someones
child he would be worth much more than a Rolls Royce. But he is not evaluated.
Human value is not evaluated as Gods immense value.
If Bill Gates was faced with death and a doctor asked him for a few million
dollars, he would give it. He knows his own value. Everybody knows that his
value is infinite because he carries life, and life you cannot get anywhere.
[Former Israeli Prime Minister] Rabin couldnt buy his life.
"I have never asked"
How valuable a person is! Even a king would offer his whole
kingdom to the one who would release him from the gallows. How much value life
has! But children are treated like teddy bears, and those who dont work
are not appreciated.
You want to have the knowledge of your life, whereas as you
are taught to have the knowledge of your work, of your body, your bones, and
your blood. People buy and sell their blood! The value of life, the value of
God is not there.
A disciple wants to be aware of God Consciousness, of his
life, but he thinks he is a body and thinks his value is just nothing. The President
of the United States is considered to be valuable but, if he doesnt sign
documents, he is no longer valued. Even when you become the president of a country,
nobody values you. At home, in the office, and in the market place your value
is nil. But what you produce in tons of matter is valuedand you may not
even get a tenth of that!
I have no idea of what one has to offer to Guru and what he will get. I have
never offered, I have never received and I have never asked!
Getting that which Guru has
A disciple knows Guru is the person who carries God Consciousness
and he wants to have God Consciousness. Whatever he has to do, whatever he has
to offersome money, or his mentality which is so crude and roughhe
Even if Guru keeps him around he is ready to work. He says, "I
only have the body, mind, and a little wealth: tan, man, dhan." He
is ready to offer them to Guru because Guru will not allow him to be near if
he is not worthy. To be worthy of receiving the knowledge that Guru and nobody
else can impart, the disciple has to offer tan, man, dhan.
The disciple wants to get that which Guru has.
Guru just wants you to listen to him
If he doesnt became worthy of his joy and liking, he
feels Guru will not offer that precious thing to him. The disciple wants to offer
himself as a whole.
The disciple thinks he is only a would-be dead body, therefore
he is ready to offer all of it, provided he gets the knowledge that he is immortal,
he is God, he is infinite and forever free.
Human beings dont get that; they cannot get it. Why?
They are made to forget their true nature and forget the infinite value of God,
of Love, and of life. You have to have that revived.
But people say you are not worthy, you are sinful by birth.
You havent committed any sin, but that is the tradition
in which you have grown. A child is always told he does wrong things. He smokes
and dopes and never obeys. A sinful person is moving in the world. Yet he knows
that he never committed sin because that 'I' can never be involved in anything
that can be deteriorated or enhanced. He is forever free and everyone knows that
he is free.
But he is made to say that he isnt free, that he is
sinful, he is poor, doesnt have enough and cannot live without society.
Therefore, he has to serve society. He is told that he never brought anything
with him, not even a pyjama, so whatever he gets he has to offer to society.
That is the nature of society an people.
A person thinks he gets everything from society. But there
is not just one personfather, sisters, and brothers are there and you were
born last. Therefore for whatever you get, you have to give. When you work in
an office you get a meagre salary, but you have to give taxes. Your accounting
books are checked, and then you make double books [laughter].
Wherever you go, you commit a mistake. If you have a friend,
he lays a trip that you are not a good friend because you are not doing this
or not doing that. If you have a good friend who is your partner in life, in
the beginning he says that he is yours but once he gets hold of your neck you
are caught every day.
The man who has lost his freedom wants to revive it. A lion
runs faster than a Mercedes, but if he is trapped in a cage he cannot do anything.
The lion wants to be free.
A disciple wants to offer something so that he will be treated
worthily. Guru tells him to become worthy, which means that he should be able
to listen to Guru.
Disciple says, "No. Only that I cannot do. Take my money,
take my home. I will give you dinners and parties, but I will not be able to
shave my beard."
These teddies want to have God Consciousness and cannot listen
to Guru a bit.
Guru wants to take your ego sense completely. He doesnt need your wealth.
He doesnt need your body. Guru doesnt want to get married. He doesnt
need your car or your clothes. He wants you to listen to him.
The knowledge of your own true nature
But you cannot listen to him because you are listening to
your head, to your ego. You are listening to your preferences, your ideas, your
A human being is brought up only to identify with the bodies, things, forms,
and situations. The disciples need is to have the knowledge of his own
true nature which is Amaram Hum Madhuram Hum, which cannot become a flower
and die, which cannot become a horse and die, which cannot become a house and
get broken. It cannot become anything which is made by nature.
What is a human being?
He is Amaram Madhuram, but he has no place to hear this. Only
Guru tells him this because Guru knows that the disciple has never been a structure.
At the time of conception in the womb of your mother, you
had no bones, no blood, no hair. You were just life, and now you say that you
Guru tells you to drop this idea that you are bulk.
But you say, "I need this tool to work and I cant
go to the office without my tool."
Guru wants you to offer you sense of bulk and that is what
you cannot do because of your ego sense.
What is a human being? Mind.
The value of offering
You cannot offer your mind to Guru. In offering mind to Guru,
you are Guru because you are no mind of your own. But that is the only thing
you cannot offer. Part of it you can offer. You say, "I picked up this beautiful
flower from my garden. I thought to share it with you. You might like it because
I like it."
You offer your avocados. Guru likes oranges and not your avocados
which are tasteless. You offer all tasteless things to Guru and the good things
you keep for yourself.
You see Guru as a person and treat him as a person according
to your own ideas of what you need.
Someone brought me a manicure set to trim my nails. I have
no nails. I file them on a rock! What did I receive? Her love, not her things
because Guru knows that you are not a person.
" Give me this identification"
Guru knows that you are God, you are Guru himself.
Now disciple comes with great emotions and offers one flower
when he is leaving, as if he is going to die forever, so Guru gives the knowledge
worth one flower. But that flower is not a flower. It is the heart, the mind,
the dedication of the disciple who has meditated one-pointedly day and night.
Guru knows the value of the flower. Why? He knows, "You
are just Me." Other than me, Guru expects you to offer everything, because
Me and Me are one. Self and Self are one, and all the things and forms are not
one with you. They drop you daily. They increase and decrease. Your beard grows
white and demonstrates that it will leave you one day. Cheeks, skin, and hair
change. They speak, "Dont care for me. I am not yours. I will leave
you." You dont use their services for the sake of unfoldment. You
put them in the ditch of learning.
Your 'Me' is not this body which you hold. You have tons of looking glasses
and every day you prepare your eyebrows, eyelashes, and cheeks. You became
identified with your body. You are not preparing yourself.
Living with God Consciousness in the moment
And then the body leaves you. It was already not yours, but
you caught hold of it and made a relationship with it and never cared that it
didnt remain the same.
Guru says, "Give me this identification." You are
to get liberation from your sense of bondage, the sense of the caught-up ego-entity
and relations. You are not to give tons of things. Guru eats only a few green
Your offering should be love.
Shiv Nath: I would like to live God Consciousness moment
Swami-ji: You will know you are God moment to moment when
you have the knowledge of God.
I am not here to receive offeringsI am here to give"
You have no value of God. You think that God is there for
eating or taking care of people. You dont know Gods value, so how
can you live with God moment to moment?
You never ask about God. You ask about other things. Hearing
the word God you freak out. Scientists think that God doesnt
exist. We have to use the word God whether you understand it or not.
You understand the ego and ego is your body. Only body consciousness
creates problems. Bad and good situations are created due to body consciousness.
Now body and God became a combined reality. Body is so bulky. God who is permeating
every single pore of your existence is missing. God permeates every fibre of
the grapefruit, but you think the seed gives energy to the grapefruit. The whole
world is filled with God and that is why it exists.
Without God nothing can exist which means Existence Pure is
I never say that Ram, Jesus, Vyas or Krishn are God. I say
you are that which can understand the reality. Why? Truth is that which is unchangeableyour
body is changeable and you cannot figure out what is unchangeable. But you can
figure out what doesnt work for you in your life. Come on to the practical,
down to earth reality. What do you want?
Shiv Nath: I would like to offer totally the sense that I
am body and mind.
Swami-ji: At that time you will not be I. You want to offer,
but offering is not that you say, "Swami-ji, I offer my wealth, mind,
and body to you."
You are the manifest form of the Knower
Even when you tell me this, I am not receiving. Why? You are
offering me that which is not yours! I want you to offer that I which you held
preciously and that is your ego sense.
You want to offer to Guru. That is part of the literature
that you have read. It is nice to express your thankfulness and sense of participation,
but there is nothing to offer.
I am not here to receive offerings. I am here to give. I am
here to give. I am here to give and nothing else. What am I to give you? I am
to give you that which you dont have. Wealth you have. House and relations
you have. A lot of headaches, difficulties, and problems of the world you have,
but you dont have the knowledge of your own true Self.
Every human being is made of that Knower and people think they are made of
the tattwasearth, water, fire, and so on.
You don't get awakened without Guru
You are the manifest form of the Knower. This you dont
understand. Many of you are here for the last fifty years, but fifty year old
people dont understand the Knower [laughter].
They understand everything that the eyes see, but they dont
understand the Knower with which they see a flower and know it. They say, "Oh.
It is beautiful." It is beautiful because of the Knower. Knower is already
beautifulSat Chit Aanand.
You say that people are beautiful because they are mounted
with skin. I say, this dress you are not. It is tailor made. Cotton, wool you
are not. I am not saying what you are. I tell you that you are not the dress
and you understand.
The one who understands is God. The one who understands is
what you are. Butnly the human machine isnt made to know that. Therefore
you are brave and energetic to try to know something which you are not made to
Animals dont ask these questions. The most wonderful
tool has been given to you and was brought up by your parents with great care.
Now you know what the purpose of your life is. Do you think
that the purpose of your life is to blow up the rocks from the mountain and make
roads and shops and create tourism?
You are not awakened and you dont get awakened without Guru. Everybody
says that you are an expertyou are beautiful because they dont
see you thoroughly. They say you are a most wonderful human being.
Knowledge starts when you don't have a solution
This tool is to be used to know that you are not an egg laid
by a hen! But you say you are part of the Big Bang. You never heard the Big Bang.
You never knew it. You are so educated, but you seek to know when dinosaurs came
on earth and when man came on earth. You compare man to chimpanzees and call
that your ancestry. They teach you Darwins theory that you are the progeny
of animals. You want to change you ancestry, so you must be daring.
You must know what you are for!
I asked you to ask something practical. You say that you are forty-two and
[as an artist and illustrator] you spend your life drawing the faces of bugs!
You should ask how are these bugs createdthat I could answer.
You are the one who is like the clear sky
Knowledge starts when you become sick, miserable, agitated
and you dont have a solution.
When I came here I didnt bring a single pencil, and
I am educated. Nothing belongs to Me. I came to know Me.
When you know Me you are free and wherever you go you are
free. When you first came [to Kullu] you slept in your sleeping bags and
bathed in the river by the Be-all tree. How much modernity since then! It has
made you weak. You have a little cold and you go to the clinic every day.
You have to come to know that you are the one who never falls sick, never
feels worried, never fees agitated or short of something. You are the one who
is just like clear sky.
Close your eyes and be with the blue sky. You are that clear,
without the dance of decay of the form.
In this body you are the Knower. The Knower permeates the
whole tree of life. The Knower permeates everything.
Where is that Knower? You.
This becomes difficult to understand because of the blockage
which is your ego-sense.
You have read, "Offer Guru something very precious." For
you, things are not precious. You can throw them away when they are old and buy
But what is that which is most precious?
Your relationship with the bodythat is the key. How
did it come? Is it real? If it is not real and you made it real, then offer the
false sense to Guru!