Swadarshana: ...What I’d like to know is if you have any tips on how to deal
with patterns when they come up, so that everybody can be as free as possible?
Swamiji: Only you can be free, not everybody. As long as you are anybody
and you hope that if someone was free then you would be free – if that body
was free then you would be free – this is not correct. It is only Freedom
that will remain Freedom. By birth, a person is not Freedom. This flower is
not sap, not fire, not aakaash [space], it is a flower. Here there
are petals, here there are leaves, and the sap is running through it. You
came to know that sap is running through it. But you as a human being cannot
say that this flower is sap. So you cannot say that your husband is sap, Pratibha
is sap, Pushpa is sap, and you are sap. Unless the unfoldment of sap consciousness
arises, there is no freedom; patterns will come. When a pattern comes, then
according to that you can deal with it. ...
If you are acting because of this or because of that, you are never free.
... When you are acting because of this and because of that, it means cause
and effect; whereas Freedom has no cause and no effect. Only a human being
can reach the point that perception has no cause and no effect: it is pure
perception. When you reach the point that you are sap, you are love, you are
knowledge, then that‘s all. Love is pure, the lover and beloved have bones.
Love has no lover and no beloved. Gyan [knowledge] has no subject who
has gyan and no object of which it has gyan. That is the state
that you have to attain. That is called the Realized state.
Get it today and you are realized. You don’t have to worry too much about
doing this or doing that, coming here or going there. You just realize now.
That is the state. Only a human being can attain it. Only a human being can
hear about it. Only a human being in a human form can speak about it. This
is liberation. So if liberation has not taken place, then patterns will come.
Eighty or ninety percent you can manage intellectually, but when the real
situation will come, then liberation will not remain. Why? Because you think
that everything is. Why does it not come in your head that these forms were
never there before and they will never be there after, so why are they not
even now never there, and yet everything is going on? That is the type of
dual awareness. ...You will not call it illusion. It is a drama. All the actors
win Oscar awards. Do they think that they are acting as illusion? ...Only
that which causes a pattern to arise, that consciousness you shouldn’t have.
There you counteract.
Swadarshana: I thank you very much for your wisdom today....
Premuda: ...Whatever is happening is my creation. But I often get confused,
thinking that my creation is something that I can control. How should I not
feel bound in a situation and relate more to the idea that it’s all my creation?
Swamiji: This concerns all human beings, because the identification of Me
is with this body. So you have to find out where identification is not. Being
brilliant enough, it is very simple for all of us to know that in deep sleep
there is no identification. Therefore, what is the big deal in making identification
in the waking state and calling it my creation, your creation, or their creation?
It is beyond the waking state of a human being to grasp this fact because
he wakes up, which means that every single day he is in deception. What they
call waking up is deception. Why? Because it is mixed with sleep, yet it calls
itself fully awake. Therefore, to a person who is in the waking state, only
that can be released which he can understand. In every point of view of a
human being, he says that his I is the waking state: call it his mind, eyes,
ears, or body, it is the waking state. Therefore, that which is the sleep
state cannot be related to him – that it is not your creation, my creation,
or the creation of God. A man in deep sleep doesn’t care about the creation
of God or the creation of Ralph [the dog]. Half of your life, do you not become
that? ...
A human being is tagged to his body, so that if his nails come, he has to
accept that they are there. If his hair is falling out, he has to accept it.
If he has the power to accept such things, why does he not have the power
to accept deep sleep? Why again and again does he fall in the waking state
and become a relation to the world and call himself true and other persons
true? ... A waking man wants to understand. To a waking man, only that can
be said which he can understand. Generally, he is given the choice to do that
which he wishes. Swadarshana wants to go to America on Saturday. You cannot
say to her to go on Friday. It’s just everybody’s own movie. ....Nobody can
understand Guru’s guidance. If I tell you anything, you will never listen.
Guidance is only for that which is your goal, whatever your goal is. For the
Korean football team, their goal was to defeat the Italians. They succeeded
– and forty-five thousand red-shirt people were celebrating. In a minute,
everything changed. ...
The guidance is, you have to reach liberation. Everybody will get you bound.
That is the body movie. Even a plant: somebody saw this flower and he had
to pick it up. ...With a human being, you just cannot turn him on towards
the Reality – until he dies. After he dies, he listens [laughter]. ... We
make guru of our own kind. You don’t see guru, other than your kind. So that
which suits you, that is your guru. That which does not suit you, that is
your own mind. So the guidance is, go and just be happy.
Premuda: Thank you, Swamiji.
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