Satsang  –   Volume 7, Number 11: August 16, 2004
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I Is That Which Has Never Manifested

Robert Walters: How does the sense of I manifest? I don稚 think it manifested just when people started calling me Robert. Is there a sense of I in a newborn child, on some level?

Swamiji: All of you have heard his question. He wants to know how this I has been manifested. Because you have known this葉hat it has manifested悠 can easily answer your question by saying that I is that which has never manifested. You will be free from this very rigid idea, that the manifestation of I has taken place. I have been speaking for 35 years that I is that which is never born, which means that it has never manifested. But you are a victim of your seeing through the eyes, and that is the defect of your eyes. You have been given eyes of the kind that will see manifestation. But there could be someone like me who never sees manifestation. Then how, for me, has the I manifested? So, I値l not answer your question in this way, saying that I has never manifested. I値l say that I manifests only when the waking state starts.

Now I started on the trip of ignorance, and you will like it. [Laughter] The first answer was the knowledge, it was the truth; but at that time you were quiet, there was no delight. You could not understand it, because the understanding of your mind or intellect is ingrained in the thought, or functioning, that says, "I am a manifest form of Robert Walters." And you understand that when my mommy was there [before my birth took place] I was not. When I was in the womb of my mother, I was not. Even before the seed or sperm or DNA, I was not. So you are saying the same thing, that I was not, but why did you become I now? I値l say your friends, your people, and your folks made you learn this葉hat I exist as Robert.

If I talk you will start liking it. But why should I talk, when you already know the things that you know? Why should I repeat the same? Such as, your I is never there in deep sleep. It is only when your waking state body is born, so I is born. When the body of Robert was born, your I was born. It is another thing, that the child had no ability at that time to say I, but he was drinking milk as I. I was hungry, so I was there. So I comes at the same time the waking state comes. And when I comes with the waking state, then at the same time, the forgetfulness comes of that I, which I知 calling unborn. Therefore, this is the state of human affairs. You have understood that I is not there. [Alka arrives in satsang] Alka came, Alka痴 body came; as an airplane comes or lands, she landed. But where is I? But because she has been with human beings, when I say this, she値l say, "Well, I was in that school and that school, and I was at home, and I was preparing to come to satsang, Swamiji, and I知 sorry I知 ten minutes late, but better late than never." And in all these things悠. She will use I, but do you think she is I? Her clothes that were in the shop, were they I? Her necklace, is it I? So there is no I. You work on that.

It痴 true that absolute faith can work, and then you will be liberated when I say, "Well, look, you are that who is not born." You can translate it as I悠 am that who is not born. Then you will not condemn the language, you will not blame your parents, you will not blame your body, you値l not blame action, you値l not blame your schooling, or the world. It will be all wonderful when I値l come to know that Guruji has said, "I知 really not born. Therefore, from here to here [indicates head to toe], I知 not." This you can understand, but when you hear, "I alone am everywhere, Self is everywhere," you get deluded. God is everywhere, Paramaatma is everywhere, which you are hearing, learning it as if you are a school child. But you are not a school child now.

Whatever you have learned up to now, that has paid you. So you are in a consciousness of profit and loss. The profit is that your body is born, your loss is if your body is lost, or dead. And that is your I which you made葉he body. So have faith that Swamiji has liberated that I, which means that Swamiji has taken it from you and I is never there. And still your knowledge is working, your ears are working, that is not I; your eyes are seeing, that is not I; your nose is smelling, that is not I; your stomach is churning, that is not I; your feet are walking, that is not I; and every single cell is doing its own work, but it is not I. This is the liberated state. Otherwise, why would a man want liberation, and from what? He has got everything. What is that which is not enough for you to live? You have everything. Food you have, time you have, space you have, day you have, night you have, sun you have, moon you have容verything is there.

So now, let me know where is the creator of the figures that are in the light on the television? It is light itself. So light is the Knower. If the Knower is light, then the manifestation of light on the television, that blue-blue screen, is also the Knower. If the Knower is that, then the figures are also the Knower, they can be created by the Knowerthen it痴 one Knower. So if you know the Knower, then where is I? The Knower alone is, the Knower alone is all that there is. The Knower is the television, it is the television figures, it is the television games, and the Knower is you, the one who is watching. Is it not one Reality? Then why would you feel victimized by the sense of duality of this mind, which you have accepted, thinking that it is there? That痴 why we can talk to you.

The one who is convinced, and knows at heart, that I am That who is unborn and free, will be able to deal with all the situations in the world. He will never be the victim of a wrong imposition of the body being placed on top of him. Many times you have heard me saying that a potter makes jugs, and the jug becomes a jug space and then says, "I am chaytan, I am space, I am a jug, I am light." And the space says, "I知 not light, I知 not space, I知 not ether, I知 not aakaash悠知 a jug. Why? Because I知 superimposed with the body." And when the jug is taken out, the flowers [inside a glass which Swamiji was holding were several small jasmine flowers] do not feel that I became less because the glass is taken away. Also, when this body [the flowers] is superimposed on the fragrance, the fragrance does not say that I became less. But a human being is busy saying, "I am less." This is due to the superimposition of the changing stuff葉hat is the body. I say Self is遥ou do not say this. You hear it, and you like it. Liking is your aanand, but you are still there to like it. So then, you are "not Self." And "not Self" has imposed on you the Self痴 awareness of "not Self." And "not Self" is the mechanism of the waking state chitt, or mind. The moment the waking state of consciousness comes, you become superimposed upon. Immediately you say I. To Robert I said, "You let me know, where is I? You are accepting the state of wakefulness with the body, with a form, which are taken together as a jug. The potter has made the same earth into a jug, and now the jug cannot say, "I am earth." It is we who see that earth must be the same earth, but it is now a pot. But the pot does not accept this, because it sees the earth as flat or lying like a kind of round ball. The pot says, "I am space (inside) and I have this shape." Immediately the consciousness of a pot came. So the pot will not say, "I am earth"... that I has been superimposed on you, which is not I, but the I is called this body. That痴 why I say I am that I which is fragrance, which is infinite, which can go around the earth or around the sky容verywhere it is That, and That you are. But the very nature that has worked on you and made you a person, has introduced this invisible sense of I, which you have asked me about. It happens in the waking state葉he nature couldn稚 work on you when you were asleep, but the moment you came into the waking state, nature took the chance to make you I, and since then I, that痴 all.

I know that bodies are sitting, and human beings know that they are human beings. That actually is the science. You cannot go against it溶ever. Even thousands of years, or millions of years before, they could not go against that. So the scientific fact is that when a bird comes out of the egg, it says, "Mommy, put a pick in my mouth." Maybe it doesn稚 say it in language擁t speaks in its own language傭ut from where does this I come? That is science, therefore, we don稚 dismantle I. When he had asked, "Well, I do not know from where I comes, so please tell me," then scientifically I have answered, "It comes from the waking state." And he痴 convinced, because he is a scientist. He observes, and our observation is that whatever we have experienced in a practical manner, with this body, with these eyes, and with the mind, then we will be convinced of that. But when he was serious and he exhibited or exuded the faith that whatever I値l say he will accept, and either work on it or completely accept it, then I took a chance and said, "I never comes. I is never manifested." The bird痴 body mechanism is there葉he nature has made it, so let the bird do the job. Why should I ask from where the I of the bird comes? And, in relation to that, why should I ask from where I as Robert Walters comes? You now know that I has never been in manifestation. So you will never die, because I is not born. What a great sense of liberation I am offering you.

Amaram Hum Madhuram Hum

July 26, 2004

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