Swami ji: Yes. If you are not claiming the mind, not claiming the illusion, not claiming the intellect, not claiming the life, then automatically you are free.
Swami ji: You are right when you ask a question. A child does not have the chance to ask a question, but when he becomes big, he wants to know. So the knowing sense arises. In a child, at first the knowing sense is not found. It is hidden. But because it must be hidden in him, it arises, just like a sprout that is hidden in a seed. When you hear such examples, then you come to know what is hidden and what is obvious.
We know ourselves daily as relative persons, relative to each other. So Alka was the one who was giving a departure for Keerti Narayan, and when she said antavahak, then I came to know that you do not know antavahak. We have never studied it. We have studied the external; or you have closed the eyes and you imagined the internal. But antavahak, you do not know. Though you know “innermost,” for you, “innermost” is your mind or intellect. So the words are there; but the innermost is that by which you came into form as a human being. A process must be there, there must be some source. It starts somewhere. The moment it started, that is antavahak.
Milan: … As I am speaking, I am finding that these are all the things my mind is concluding. But one moment with you and everything I just said is completely irrelevant. So I am describing the process of a mind that thinks it exists, but being with you I see that it doesn’t. I tremendously value your presence!
Swamiji: We look like forms, but when forms were not there, what was there? When Nandi was not there, what was she? And now that she is, what is she, Shaardaji? Shaarda: Space [Self, Oneness]. Swamiji: Then what was she at that time? Shaarda: Space. Swamiji: And what is your blanket? Shaarda: The blanket is