Gavin: It is becoming clear that the space of the Self has nothing to do with the intellect, in the way it is associated with feelings, doings, achievements, losing, gaining, or anything like that. My goal is, I want to know this permanently. Every time I wake up, I’m very familiar with the fact I am this body. With all your energy and darshan (Guru’s presence)—and perhaps I’ll check this with you—I’m coming to see the intellect fully, wholly, and to understand it is the Wholeness I need to put my attention on rather than what I am seeing. Is that correct?

Paul: … When I am listening to your words, either on a tape or here, there seems to be a dual process happening. One is of the mind, which is listening to the meaning, and the other is of a higher awareness, which is not intellectual. That creates a sort of duality or almost an unease, for I feel I should be listening, giving reverence to the meaning of the words that you are speaking, because they are the words of Guru. But, at the same time, by trying to understand or give meaning to the words, I am removing myself from the Pure Consciousness that those words are conveying. Could you perhaps say something about this?